翻译 12yzz
翻译 桃子
翻译 没戴眼镜听不清
翻译 Ccumberbatch
翻译 dd
翻译 张三
校对 dd
校对 千阳
时间轴 啾迪
第18法庭
时间轴 黑眼圈很重
时间轴 詹毛毛
时间轴 黄小小
全体起立 All rise.
时间轴 dd
法官大人 非常感谢您 Thank you very much, Your Honor,
下午好 and a good afternoon to you.
时间轴 虐儿小姐
压制 ZEYAX
这个案子的案情目前已十分明朗 The narrative of this case up to this point has been very, very simple.
总监 dd
一群来自纽约州北部小镇的无能警察 A group of, uh, bungling, incompetent cops from a small town in upstate New York
通过少得可怜的证据 on a razor-thin amount of evidence...
试图起诉一个男人 brought a case against a man
很有可能是因为他的肤色 perhaps insidiously motivated by the color of his skin.
场面闹得很大 沸沸扬扬 Great TV, great theater,
但本质上这和他们的鼠目寸光无关 but ultimately it's not about tunnel vision,
和他们的草率结论 被告肤色都无关 rush to judgment, the defendant's race.
这只关于波茨坦的那30分钟 It's about 30 minutes in Potsdam...
2011年10月24日 星期一 下午4:53-5:23这段时间 4:53 P.M. To 5:23 P.M. on Monday, October 24th, 2011.
体育馆背面 监控1
孩子的死亡总是悲惨的 The death of a child is always tragic.
有痛苦 有悲恸 There is pain and grief, and there is sorrow.
正因为这份痛苦和悲恸 And with that pain and sorrow,
人们会呼吁正义 there is naturally a cry for justice,
呼吁能将祸首绳之以法 a cry for someone to be held accountable,
但绝不能错怪无辜 but it must be the right person.
《谁杀了加勒特·菲利普斯》
上篇
我和我男朋友去波茨坦上大学 My boyfriend and I went to Potsdam to both attend college,
一到那里就很有回到家乡的感觉 and I felt right at home, right away, the first year.
很温馨 It was very homey.
一切都十分淳朴 It was very simple,
小镇里大家彼此都像熟人一样 that small-town feel where everybody knows everybody,
过着平平淡淡的生活 and you just live your daily life.
纽约 波茨坦
我们在2010年的初夏在 We found our apartment at 100 Market Street
北国庄园公寓
市场街100号入住了我们的公寓 at the beginning of the summer of 2010.
这和普通的大学公寓不同 It was not like your typical college apartment.
玛丽莎·沃格尔 市场街100号居民
它很干净 适合居住 It was clean, it looked like you could live in it,
很温馨 and it was homey,
整栋楼保养得很好 and, uh, the whole building was well-kept,
让人感觉十分安全 and it felt very safe.
你和别人就隔了一堵墙 You're sharing a wall with somebody,
所以我们能听到低低的说话声 so we could hear the muffled noises,
但是听不出来 but I didn't really know a lot
另外一边的人在干什么 about what was going on on the other side,
但是我知道我们旁边住着两个男孩 and I knew that there was two young boys.
有时候可以清楚地听到 Definitely could hear a skateboard
滑板滑下走廊的声音 going down the hallway sometimes,
有些脚步声 some footsteps, some... you know,
可以听到他们在互相说话 you could hear them talking back and forth.
我们和他们共同点很少 We knew we really didn't have much in common with them...
那两个男孩一个12岁一个更小 two boys that were 12 and younger,
还有一个单亲母亲 and a single mother.
肖恩·霍尔 市场街100号居民
我们两个大学生 Us two college kids,
和他们之间真的没有共同语言 we didn't really have too much to talk about.
我碰见过加勒特 I'd seen Garrett,
我记得他和他的弟弟在一起 and I believe it was his little brother with him,
在停车场前滑着小滑板车到处跑 on their little scooters in the front parking lot, driving all around.
那时候安德鲁和我刚开始交往 Andrew and I started dating.
他和他父母一起住在 He lived with his parents
市场街100号公寓的后楼里 at 100 Market Street apartments in the back building.
那里很舒适 很安静 It's cozy, quiet,
香农·哈里斯 邻居
邻居之间气氛很融洽 and everybody knows everybody.
加勒特 吃药了吗 做完作业了吗 钥匙带了吗 手机带了吗
现在感觉和这个家庭多了一种 I feel like now we have a connection with this family
说不出的联系 that we don't even know,
并且 and...
这种联系会一直持续下去 we'll always have that.
2011年10月24日
那只是平常的一天 It was just a normal day.
欢迎来到波茨坦
我那天 I actually came home
比平常早了一点回家 earlier than I was normally coming home at that time.
我大概4:15 4:20左右到的家 I arrived home around 4:15, 4:20,
然后我们开始烧晚饭 and we started to cook dinner.
是肖恩烧的晚饭 Actually, Sean cooked dinner.
大概花了半小时 The whole process took about half an hour,
所以 大概五点的时候 一切都准备就绪 so, about 5:00, everything got plated up,
我们进卧室里去吃饭 看电视节目 and we went into our bedroom to eat and watch a TV show.
我们看了《嗜血判官》 We watched Dexter.
我们是铁粉 We're big fans.
那时大概是五点左右 就在晚饭之前 It was around 5:00, right before dinnertime.
我们在后面的大楼的外面 We were outside of the back building,
换安德鲁的车胎 changing Andrew's tire.
他趴在地上 He was down on the ground.
我们站在那里 We were standing there.
他在被千斤顶撑着的汽车下面 He was underneath the car with a jack, lifting it up.
在安德鲁在车下面的时候 While Andrew was underneath the car,
我听到了一些持续的声音 I kept hearing multiple noises,
也不知道是什么声音 could not figure out what it was.
我一直在向上看 I kept looking up there.
但什么也看不到 Couldn't see anything.
我们当时吃着饭看着剧 While we were watching the show and eating,
就不怎么聊天了 we weren't really chitchatting anymore,
我们只是静静地看着电视 so we were just listening to the show,
这时候我们听到了跑步和碰撞的声音 and that's when we heard the running and, um, the crash.
碰撞之后有短暂的寂静 There was silence after the crash,
几秒钟之后 and a few seconds later,
我们听见了求助的呻吟声 uh, we heard a moan for help,
听起来像是在说"哦"或者"不" and it sounded like either ow or no.
那肯定是一个小孩的声音 It was definitely a child's voice,
但是他听起来很害怕 but it sounded scared
压抑的声音穿过墙 and it sounded, you know, muffled through the wall,
但我能听出来是"救命" but I could hear that word help,
我这一辈子都无法忘记那个声音 and I will never forget that word.
他 他的声音听起来很害怕 Just... it sounded scared.
这种声音是没办法忽视的 This isn't really the time to ignore it
我们也不能假装无事发生 and just think nothing happened.
当我去敲响另外一间公寓的门时... When I knocked on the door of the other apartment...
对不起 sorry.
当我敲那间公寓的门时 When I knocked on the other door,
我听见了门后传来细微的声音 I heard a slight noise behind the door.
我没法辨别那是什么 I couldn't tell you what it was,
但是接着我听到了一声咔哒声 But then I heard a click,
这时候我就立马知道 and it was one of those things where my mind
那是门锁锁上的声音 instantly knew that it was a lock clicking.
她头立马转了过来 She turned around immediately,
我可以从她的眼中看出 and I could see in her eyes
她看到的或者想到的东西 that she was not comfortable
让她觉得很异常 with whatever it was she heard or felt.
波茨坦警察 斯奈德调度员 Potsdam Police, Dispatcher Snyder.
玛丽莎·沃格尔 邻居
警局调度员 波茨坦警察局
你好 我的名字是玛丽莎·沃格尔 Hi, um, my name is Marissa Vogel, and...
我这里发生了一些事情 我不确定我是否应该报警
我觉得我听到了一些尖叫 "不"和"救命"好几次
所以我去敲了他们的门 然后我听到了门锁上的声音
我知道这听起来似乎是我多疑了 但是我觉得还是报警以防万一吧
你住在哪里 Where do you live?
不好意思 市场街100号 Sorry, 100 Market Street,
北国庄园公寓 North Country Manor Apartments.
听起来像是有东西掉了下来 然后我听到了"不"或者"救命"的声音
这就感觉有点奇怪
好吧 我会派人检查的 Okay, I'll have somebody check on it.
-太感谢你了 -谢谢 - Thank you so much. - Thank you,
-再见 -再见 - bye-bye. - Bye.
几分钟之内 Within a few minutes,
一名警官就到达了现场 a police officer had arrived on the scene.
我们听到他走上楼梯 We heard him walk up the stairs,
敲其他公寓的房门 knock on the door to the other apartment.
温特沃斯长官下午5:14到达公寓 他在门口没有听到任何动静
他接着敲门 听到有人走动的声音
喂 Hello?
喂 是里克·仲马吗 Hi, is this Rick Dumas?
警察调度员 波茨坦警察部门
里克·仲马 市场街100号房东
是的 Yes, it is.
我派了一支巡逻队
觉得他们可能会给巡逻队开门
但没有人给他开门
我就在波茨坦
我先把我侄子侄女在篮球场放下 然后我和我妻子就赶过去
我这里有钥匙
好的 Okay.
温特沃斯长官在门口等房东来
下午5:24 他拿着巡逻棒敲门
要求居住者开门
在之后的报告中他提出 再次听到了公寓里似乎传出了动静
下午5:33 房东里克·仲马到达并开了公寓的门
-玛丽莎 -怎么了 - Marissa? - Yes?
那里确实有紧急情况发生 They do have an emergency in that location.
你能帮我向楼下的 Could you assist me by going down
救援队挥手示意吗 and waving down the rescue squad as they arrived?
-可以 -非常感谢 - Yes, I could do that. - Thank you very much.
我记得他们把门敞开着 I believe they left the door open
因为我可以听到他们的声音 because I could hear their voices.
我听不清他们在说什么 I couldn't hear what they were saying,
但我能听得出他们语气 but I could hear that they started to sound
有点 a little... um...
调度员:你还知道什么
警官:我要开始心脏复苏了
警官:无反应 男性 10岁左右
无脉搏 无呼吸 我们只知道这些了
我都没法说清楚剩下的事发生了多久 I couldn't tell you how long the rest of it took.
一切都像一阵风一样 It seemed like a whirlwind.
当时就是 所有人一来 It was just, once everybody was there,
有人在楼梯上跑上跑下 there was people running up and down the stairs,
担架抬上来了 and the gurney went up,
然后他们把加勒特放上去 and, um, then they took Garrett down, and...
然后 一切好像都停止了 it kind of seemed as though everything stopped.
警官:母亲名字是坦迪·赛勒斯
警官:孩子的名字目前还不知道
她不在房间里 不知道确切位置
马克·温特沃斯 波茨坦警局警官
警察调度员 波茨坦警局
她不是约翰·琼斯的前女友吗
是的 Yep.
他可能有她的电话
我不知道 你可以给他打电话问问
警察调度员 波茨坦警局
埃德·蒂施勒 波茨坦警局局长
这个在哪
在市场街100号
我们查出了那位母亲 叫坦迪·赛勒斯
好的
这是她十岁的儿子
坦迪·赛勒斯 这名字好耳熟
她好像是约翰·琼斯的前女友
好吧 Okay, yeah.
有孩子的亲属在场吗
没有
据我所知 没有 To my knowledge, nobody.
调度员:他们还在调度中
蒂施勒:等他们知道
大概发生了什么之后给我打电话
调度员:我觉得他们
调度员:他们现在也不知道该干嘛
你要给肖恩打个电话直接跟他说吗
南希·拉特里奇 波茨坦州立医院负责人
警局调度员 波茨坦警察部门
你好 这里是波茨坦州立医院的南希·拉特里奇 Hi, this is Nancy Rutledge, the supervisor of the hospital.
拉特里奇:我们正在救助这个刚被带来的孩子
拉特里奇:救援队给了我们一个叫坦迪·赛勒斯的医保卡
拉特里奇:他们认为那女人是孩子的母亲
调度员:对 我现在在尝试与她取得联系
我记得6:08的时候我接到了坦迪的电话 I think I got a phone call from Tandy about 6:08,
我跟她说 你能马上去医院吗 stating, could you run over to the hospital?
她说她正在往那边赶 She goes, I'm headed there now.
我猜有些父母 很明显已经告诉她了 Some parents, I guess, apparently told her,
"你去哪了" where have you been?
"加勒特出事了" Something's happened to Garrett.
"你赶紧去医院" You need to get to the hospital.
约翰·琼斯 副治安官 坦迪·赛勒斯前男友
然后她第一个想到了我 And then she immediately thought of me first,
打给了我 因为 and called me because, uh...
坦迪一直都挺依赖我 um... you know, I've always been dependable with Tandy.
也能靠得住我 She can count on me.
我回来就听到我姑姑在哀叫 I was out back, and I heard my aunt scream,
布莱恩·菲利普斯 加勒特的叔叔
我知道大事不妙 and you knew something wasn't right.
她说 赶紧去医院 And she said, get to the hospital.
加勒特出事了 Something's wrong with Garrett.
然后 我记得我妈妈 坦迪和我 So, I think my mother, Tandy and myself
进了急救室 went into the room.
急诊室
我到那里的时候 And when I got in there,
帕特里夏的采访录音 加勒特的外祖母
我看到他躺在那 I see him laying there,
他们把呼吸机放在他身上 they had him on a breathing machine,
我拉起他的手 and I took his hand,
吻了吻他额头 and I give him a kiss on the forehead,
说 拜托了宝贝 为了外婆 撑住啊 and I said, come on, bud, for Grandma.
然后他就休克了 And he coded.
加勒特·菲利普斯在晚上7:18被宣布死亡
年仅12岁
我们进去 We went in...
拥抱他 亲吻她 hugged him, kissed him...
我必须得离开 I had to leave.
我们不知道发生了什么 We didn't know what had happened.
没人当时知道 Nobody concluded that, you know,
是谁干的 a person had done this.
我们都不知道发生了什么 We just didn't know what had happened.
我觉得 有人能这样对他 Just... it's pretty unfair, I guess...
真的很不公平 that somebody could do that to him.
死因:绞勒窒息
加勒特·菲利普斯 1999.8.13 - 2011.10.24
你多久来一次 How often do you come here?
我以前每天都来 I used to come every single day.
现在我一般一周来一次 Now I come up usually once a week,
等以后天气好了 我就过来 till it gets nice weather, and then I come up
早上和他喝杯咖啡 and have coffee with him in the morning,
边胡思乱想边喝咖啡 just thinking and drinking my coffee.
一切就像发生在昨天 Oh, it's just like it happened yesterday, and...
鲍勃·菲利普斯 加勒特的外祖父
每年 他的朋友们也带着一个新的橄榄球过来 every year, too, the boys bring up, like, a new soccer ball,
帕特里夏·菲利普斯 加勒特的外祖母
他们都在上面签名 and they all sign it, his classmates,
然后他们把球带过来 放在这里 and they bring that up and put it up there.
加勒特似乎还在我们身边 Garrett stayed with us a lot.
我们还能和他聊天 We know so much.
我好想他 I miss Garrett.
这让我悲痛欲绝 It kills me.
小罗伯特·菲利普斯 1972.2.7-2002.6.7
加勒特·菲利普斯 1999.8.13 - 2011.10.24
加勒特的父亲 小罗伯特·菲利普斯 在加勒特不到三岁的时候死于脑动脉瘤
我觉得我虽然取代不了他父亲的地位 I felt that I wasn't going to be the father to him,
但我想竭尽所能做一个好叔叔 but try to be the best uncle I can be.
他死前的最后一个星期二 The last Tuesday that he was alive...
我上去 在他睡觉前看他 I always would go up, see him before he'd go to sleep,
亲吻他 我的孩子们和加勒特在一起睡觉 give him a kiss. Well, my kids and Garrett were cuddled right up.
我经常想拿起手机 拍一张照 但我没有 I was gonna grab my phone, take a picture. I never did.
我们都不知道 We weren't thinking it's the last time that
-这是最后一次见他 -当然 当然 - you're gonna see him alive. - Sure, sure.
那种美好的记忆 任何人都夺不走 But I've still got the memories. You can't ever take that away.
你个炫耀怪 Show-off.
你为什么不能在那边做这个 Why can't you do that over there?
因为那条路 更宽一点 Cause that road's, like, wider.
2011年10月24日
我有一个弟弟在上高中三年级 I have a younger brother, he was a senior in high school,
他当时在打校橄榄球赛 and I was helping coach
马克·默里 波茨坦警察局 首席调查官
我在场边指导他 因为是最后一年的了 所以我父母也在 his varsity soccer game. It was senior night, so my parents were there
当时天气很恶劣 雨下个不停 and it was inclement weather; it was rain off and on.
比赛快结束我看了看我的手机 I checked my phone near the end of the game,
我有一则语音 和未接来电 and I had a voicemail and a missed call from work.
这里是马克·默里 我现在不能接你电话 Hi, you've reached Mark Murray. I can't answer your call right now.
警察调度员 波茨坦警局
马克·默里 波茨坦警局
马克 我是罗宾 Hi, Mark, it's Robin.
市场街100号 监控录像
调度员:有一个陷入休克的十岁男孩 两支队伍都在现场
调度员:正在进行心脏复苏
等你或长官回我电话 Looking for you or the chief to call me back.
我立刻出发 最快地赶到了那里 Left immediately and got there as fast as I could
很明显 情况很奇怪 Obviously it's it's immediately suspicious,
我当时想了很多问题 so there's a lot of questions in your mind, like, why does...
一个12岁的孩子怎么会就这么死了 A 12-year-old just... just doesn't die.
我们立刻打给了州警察 We had... the state police were called immediately.
做了笔录 Notifications were made.
我们不知道发生怎么了 We had no idea what we had.
给第三个卧室拍照时 警官注意到窗户上的百叶窗向外弯曲
他们知道在加勒特死前有人跳窗了 They knew somebody had jumped out that window before Garrett died.
他们确信有人从窗子里逃了出去 They were sure somebody exited that window.
调查员观察到窗户表面下方的瓷砖上有裂痕
当时的情况被视作了潜在的犯罪现场 The scene was handled as a potential crime scene,
所以我们联系了很多人 so there were a lot of things already in play, I remember
我记得许多州警察局的很多其他成员都回应了 a lot of other members of the state police had responded.
直到那天晚上晚些时候 我们下楼 It wasn't until later that evening we had went downstairs,
发现现场被封条封起来了 I realized the area was taped off with caution tape
也有警察 and there was cops there.
然后我说 "安德鲁 我们就是在这里听到声音的 And I was, like, "Andrew, that's where we heard the noise,
所以或许我们应该告诉别人" So maybe we should tell somebody."
那时候我们发现 这其实是一桩谋杀 And that's when we figured out it was actually a murder.
请问局长在吗 我是斯科特·赫格尔克 Hey, is the chief in? This is Scott Heggelke,
斯科特·赫格尔克 纽约州警局警员
埃德·蒂施勒 波茨坦警局局长
州警察局的警官 Lieutenant with the state police.
我们现在准备先暂停
等明早再来 明天一大早就来
他们正在
尽可能从现场获取证据
蒂施勒局长:验尸的话
蒂施勒局长:西西里卡打算明天三点钟做
赫格尔克警官:这案子太难了 我的天哪
是啊 Yeah.
我觉得当时我们都吓傻了 I think we were just all in shock, and...
都 都不知道怎么接受这一切 and, uh, didn't know how to take it.
我记得是直到三四小时之后 And I believe it was three or four hours later that I,
我打给我的女朋友说 我先跟坦迪待一起 I had called my girlfriend and I said, "I'm gonna stay with Tandy
帮助她度过这段艰难的阶段 and assist her through this difficult time."
那天晚上 州警察局的加里·斯内尔 Overnight there came to be Gary Snell from the state police
也在回家途中停下了 had stopped on his way home
加里·斯内尔 纽约州警局 调查员
因为他也在帕里什维尔小区住 cause he resides in the Parishville community as well.
帕里什维尔小区是波茨坦市外的一处小型乡村小区 也是加勒特父亲一家人的住处
那个社区很小 It's a tightknit community.
我记得他去了那家人家里 I think he had stopped at the family's house.
他们有他们的怀疑 说 They had their suspicions. They said, "The only person
"我们能想到的唯一一个会伤害加勒特的人就是他" they can't think of anyone who would want to hurt Garrett, number one.
坦迪的前男友 There was some things about Tandy's ex-boyfriend,
奥拉尔·希拉里
尼克·希拉里 他们对他很有怀疑 Nick Hillary, that really concerned them,
所以他们也向警官说了 and so they shared those concerns with him.
教练[前] 四到五个星期
我百分百肯定 希拉里就是杀了加勒特的人 Hundred percent, Hillary is responsible for Garrett's death.
等我死了 进坟墓的那一天 The day I die, I will go to my grave,
我也百分百肯定 希拉里就是凶手 a hundred percent, Hillary was the killer.
加勒特不喜欢他 他们有过节 Garrett didn't like him. Those two butted heads.
我知道加勒特在学校也有问题 I know Garrett had difficulties in school, but...
但是呆在学校的时光总比 there's more to life during the week than
只是单调的上学回家要好 go to school, come home,
待在房间里 不让看电视 也不给出去玩 be in your room, no TV, no outside play.
狗屁 他这绝对是过分的管制 Bull crap. I think hat's excessive discipline.
2011年10月25日
2011年10月25日 周二 早上6:44 Tuesday, October 25th, 2011. The time, 6:44 a.m.
我是波茨坦警局调度员罗巴 Potsdam Police, Dispatcher Robar.
嗨 早上好 Hi, good morning.
我是波茨坦中学的 珍妮·霍布斯 This is Janie Hobbes calling from the Potsdam Middle School.
AA金斯顿中学 波茨坦中心学校
-你好 -你好 - Hello. - Hi.
我们有名学生昨晚去世了 是名六年级的学生 We had a student pass away last night, 6th grade student.
我们想着你们能不能 We're, um, wondering if you could...
警察局里应该有人能向交警传递一下消息 Someone on the PD could possibly get messages to the crossing guards,
至少让他们知道都发生了什么 to at least let them know that that has happened,
让他们在早上多留心点过马路的孩子们 keep an extra close eye on the children, uh, crossing this morning?
我那天不停地收到各种询问情况的电话 I'm just calling... I just keep getting all these tip calls,
我也不确定对旁观者该说什么 and I'm not sure what to tell the viewers
关于市场街上发生的事情 about something on Market Street there.
对 我没 没有什么能提供的信息 Yeah, I don't... I don't have any information that I can give out.
丹 怎么了 Dan, what's up?
丹·曼诺 调查员 地方检察官
马克·默里 波茨坦警局首席调查官
加勒特死后12小时
小马 Marky...
我主要是想说 如果你需要我们办公室的帮助 尽管提
你们抓住了 涉案的全部嫌疑人了吗
还是说只有一名嫌犯
我不知道 丹
州警察局在协助我们
州警局的加里·斯内尔
他和他的兄弟都在这
他们两兄弟和帕里什维尔小区 及菲利普斯一家联系都很紧密 所以他们能
昨晚半夜我和加里聊了一会 我们都对某几个人有很强的看法
其实只有一个人 但是
他们昨晚做了一点调查
但那个人现在和他孩子在一起 所以暂时没办法找到他
我们今天就要拿到尸检报告 和明确死因
默里警官:但只有一个人是我们想询问的
奥拉尔·[尼克]·希拉里
现在是北方公共广播电台的新闻播报 This is news from North Country Public Radio.
针对周一在波茨坦市一名十二岁男孩的死亡事件 There's not much more to tell yet about the death of a
目前尚没有更多的细节披露 12-year-old boy in Potsdam Monday.
有传言说这起命案是受侵犯的结果 Rumors that his death was the result of an assault have circulated,
但今早波茨坦警察局发言人的讲话中 but this morning a spokesman at the Potsdam Police Department
并没有承认或否认那些言论的真实性 could neither confirm nor deny those reports.
警察局计划于十点召开新闻发布会 The department plans a press conference at ten.
波茨坦警察局
我是波茨坦警局 调度员罗巴 Potsdam Police, Dispatcher Robar.
是发生了什么严重的事情吗 Is there something serious going on?
真是乱!成!一!团! 发生在我们身边的事 警察在调查波茨坦一个12岁小男孩被活活打死的原因
是的 但目前我对此事不予置评 There is, but I'm not releasing anything at this point.
警察在试图确认周一波茨坦 一名12岁的男孩被斗殴致死的始末
波茨坦一名男孩被打死 有报告称凶手是其他未成年人 我们将密切关注此事
有人说他一直 There have been theories that he had
坐等小男孩命案的最新消息 诺拉·弗拉赫蒂在波茨坦村警察局总部等待警局回复
在和一些猪朋狗友鬼混 been horsing around with some friends,
还说有些朋友一直和他待在房子里 that some friends were at the house with him,
这造成了他的死亡 and that this resulted in his death.
还有进一步的猜测称 There had been another theory that's a step beyond that,
W. T. 埃克特 沃特敦每日时报 记者
可能他们之间 said that this might've been some kind of...
在玩一种游戏 叫 Where they were playing a game called
"踹人游戏" 应该是这么叫的 "knockout," I think it was,
这也可能造成 意外死亡 and this could've ended up with, you know, an accidental death.
有人也提出一个论点 叫窒息式行为 Autoerotic asphyxiation, someone had said at one point,
因为据他们说有 Because they said there had...
如果你看获得的证据的清单 and if you look at the list of evidence that was found,
其中有副在地上的胸罩 There was a bra on the floor.
最后 我们了解到 And what ended up happening, we learned,
所有的理论全都被推到了一边 is that all of those things are being pushed aside
他们对有一个人很是怀疑 and that they did have one person that they were interested in,
他们认为那是最有可能 最有嫌疑的 and they thought that it was the most feasible, uh, suspect
而且与此案关系最深的 尼克·希拉里 and/or person of interest in Nick Hillary.
所以其他的理论都被放在了一边 So all the other theories were pushed aside.
-黑人大哥 前男友 -克拉克森大学 足球教练
第二天早上 当地的电台的节目上 The next morning, the local radio station,
评论员报告说 这起案件基本上是 the commentator reported that there was basically a case
因同伴暴力对待致死的案件 of, you know, peer-on-peer violence that resulted in his death,
-有两个孩子 和他住在一起
几乎可以算是校园霸凌事件 like, a bull... almost like a bullying situation.
所以你看 当时外面流传着很多 and that's how many things were out there as far as these rumors and
不实信息导致的流言或者假新闻 just wild facts that were either untrue or just misreported.
帕特·布雷迪 波茨坦学区主管人
马克·默里 波茨坦警局首席调查官
加勒特死后12小时
-嗨帕特 我是马克 -嗨马克 - Hey Pat, it's Mark. - Hi, Mark.
媒体大肆报道 说这是一起青少年殴打事件
所以我来打电话 想要点真实信息
我们尚未和媒体 透露任何信息
很好 Very good.
我们尚未正式询问 被害者的母亲
是日早上八点三十分 加勒特的母亲坦迪·赛勒斯到达警察局 开始了诸多询问的第一次 约翰·琼斯陪伴着她
2011年10月25日 早上八点三十八分
蒂施勒:坦迪 对您失去儿子 我们深感遗憾 请节哀顺变
蒂施勒:这是起很可怕的悲剧
蒂施勒:当然我们现在在 竭尽所能去查个水落石出
蒂施勒:我们会从各个角度着手
蒂施勒:那边还有州警察办案 他们昨夜也在那 现在他们还在那 特别重案组也在 搜集一切有用的证据
蒂施勒:丹会尝试多发传票传召证人
来调查更多人的手机
和他们朋友间最后的手机聊天记录
不管是谁当时和您儿子在一起 And whoever else was with your son...
我们基本上就是官方通知她 Basically just officially notified her that this was
这起案件应该是一起谋杀 looking like a homicide, and
我们也在收集尽量多的证据 我知道我 just gathered as much information that we could. I know that I,
我坐在一边 在她回答一切我们能想到的问题时边记录 I sat and took notes while she answered all questions we could think of.
-谁的手上有钥匙 -床边地上的册子 他们在那做什么 -谁把胸罩扔地上了 -为什么等到了晚上 -希拉里在不该出现的时分还在公寓里吗 -他有钥匙吗 -加勒特当时应该在家还是在学校
蒂施勒:您最后一次和加勒特联系 是在什么时候
坦迪:四点三十分
蒂施勒:四点三十分 是他打给您还是您打给他的
坦迪:对 我打给他的
蒂施勒:他当时是在学校里吗
蒂施勒:当时你们都说了什么
约翰·琼斯
他们问坦迪是否愿意来一趟 They asked if Tandy would come down,
我就问她 你想我陪你来吗 她说当然 and I said, "You want me to come with you?" "Absolutely."
我又问他们我陪同会有问题吗 I asked them if they had any problems with me coming down.
他们说当然不会 所以我 Absolutely not. So I...
所以那天早上我陪坦迪去了警局 so I went down with Tandy that morning.
她想要这样 而且再询问一次 She wanted that, and that was accommodated
也没问题 虽然他当时陪着她可能不太好 但是 to do it over again, probably would've done it differently, but
我认为这绝对没有影响到询问 it definitely didn't affect the investigation, in my opinion.
蒂施勒:当然我们很想约谈的一个人 是奥拉尔
蒂施勒:我们昨天和他有过简短的讨论 想要他说明他当时在哪里
命案发生后当天深夜 Later in the night, after the murder,
我记得在回到警局后 我的局长 埃德·蒂施勒 I remember being back at the station, and, my chief, Ed Tischler,
探头进我办公室说 poked his head in my office and said
我们得联系上坦迪的前男友 we need to get ahold of, um, Tandy's ex-boyfriend,
尼克·希拉里 uh, Nick Hillary.
马克·默里中尉 波茨坦警局首席调查官
奥拉尔·[尼克]·希拉里
加勒特死后2.5小时
-你好 -你好 请问希拉里先生在吗 - Hello? - Hello, is Mr. Hillary there, please?
我就是希拉里 Mr. Hillary speaking.
我是波茨坦警局的马克·默里 你好吗 先生 Mark Murray of the Potsdam Police Department. How are you, sir?
-很好 你呢 -也不错 - I'm doing well, and you? - Not too bad.
默里警官:今天傍晚发生了起意外
我们希望能和你谈一下
默里警官: 坦迪十岁的儿子发生了意外
默里警官: 希望您能来警局很快地和我们聊一下
希拉里: 好的没问题
那个时候我知道他是谁 I knew who he was at that point in time,
但是我并不认识他 b ut I didn't know him personally.
他是克拉克森大学学校代表队的 He was the soccer coach for Clarkson University,
男足教练 for the varsity men's team.
身为一个教练 所有人都认识我 As a coach, you know, everybody knew who I was.
不管你去哪儿 人们都会认出来 Wherever you go, people would identify...
奥拉尔·尼克·希拉里 克拉克森大学男子足球教练 坦迪·塞勒斯前男友
他们会说 "嘿 教练 忙什么呢 People would say, "Hey, Coach, what's going on?
赛季怎么样 你有什么预测" How's the season? What do you expect?"
就是闲谈之类的东西 You know, small talks and stuff like that.
有句老话说 所有人都喜欢赢家 You know there's an old phrase, that everybody likes a winner.
没人喜欢输家 所以当我顺风顺水的时候 Nobody likes a loser. So, you know, when I was on the winning side,
一切都那么完美 it was unbelievable.
我以前是个 I was very successful
很成功的大学足球运动员 as a soccer player at the collegiate level.
我觉得能取得那些成就 And I think those accomplishments,
我永远都会感激我的 I will always be forever grateful to the guys
那些队友 who I've played with,
在我们之前打下基础的人 the guys who have laid the foundation before myself.
我第一次遇见尼克时是1996年 Well, I first met Nick back in 1996.
我还是个高中三年级生 I was a senior in high school, and he
马尼·塔发利 前队友
他刚来布鲁克林就开始跟我聊圣劳伦斯大学 came to Brooklyn and started talking to me about St. Lawrence.
对我的足球生涯来说 圣劳伦斯大学就是我的光辉岁月 As far as my soccer journey, St. Lawrence was it.
圣劳伦斯大学 建于1856年
我们住在一个叫"兄弟会"的房子里 We lived in a house called the "House of Brotherhood",
我们大概五个牙买加人 有名的足球世家 about five of us Jamaicans. It was known as a soccer house.
雷盖·比特带领圣劳伦斯大学收获连胜
所有人都认识他们 因为他们是一群 You know, everyone knew who they were because it was a bunch of
来自纽约坎顿的一座城市 很淳朴的牙买加人 really good Jamaican guys from the City up in Canton, New York,
伊恩·费尔利 足球队副教练(2009-2012) 克拉克森大学
在足球场上能踢爆所有人 like, just beating everybody up on the soccer field.
我记得他整四年里就输了两三场比赛 I think he lost two games or three games his entire four years there.
圣劳伦斯大学足球队 NCAA第三赛组冠军
他们赢了全国冠军 They won the national championship.
自然地 他就被克拉克森大学聘用了 Obviously, he got hired at Clarkson
因为他熟悉那里 because he was familiar with the area,
他熟悉招募 he was familiar with the recruiting,
熟悉比赛的队伍 familiar with the teams you'd be playing,
他还有相关方面的辉煌履历 his outstanding history in the area. So, yeah,
运动板块 NCCA第三赛组比赛
在波茨坦和坎顿的小足球圈子里 in the small soccer community that was Potsdam and Canton,
人们都认识他 yeah, they knew who he was.
尼克·希拉里 男子足球 1999第二队
我是2010年遇到坦迪的 You know, I, I met Tandy in 2010.
我一般下班后 或者比赛结束后 I would normally hang out with the coaches from the college,
半吨酒吧烧烤店
会跟大学的教练们一起出去玩 you know, after work or after a game.
我会坐在酒吧里 她是那儿的酒保 I'll sit at the bar where she was a bartender.
她会夸赞我的工作 问我问题 She would admire what I was doing, and she would ask questions.
她也踢足球 所以她懂 And she played soccer, so she understood
足球术语和我的工作 you know, the language and what I was doing, so...
所以这就是我怎么邂逅坦迪的 that's how my meeting of Tandy all came about,
就是在那段时间里 was during that time period.
发件人:希拉里 收件人:塞拉斯 2011年2月8日
你好塞拉斯小姐 我起床之后满脑子只有你
我无法停止想你 也不想停 尼克
发件人:塞拉斯 收件人:希拉里 2011年2月8日
希拉里先生 我也整天都在想你 迫不及待想回家和你在一起
爱你的 坦迪
坦迪·塞拉斯 加勒特的母亲
别人对我俩的事一直议论纷纷 小镇八卦嘛 There was a little bit of mixed opinions, I guess, gossip, small town,
"我不敢相信他们在约会" 或者 "好奇怪哦" "I can't believe they're dating" or "That's weird"
发件人:塞拉斯 收件人:希拉里 日期 2011年4月1日
你的出现抓住了 我的心和魂
我根本没想到!
我觉得我们 I think one of the key reasons
这么快就坠入爱河的关键原因 why we became so found of each other so quickly
是因为她很开明 她很体贴 was because she was very open-minded, she was very caring.
她是两个孩子的母亲 我也有一个自己的 She's a mother of two. At the time, I had three.
我们找了个够大的房子 We found a house that was big enough,
就这样开始同居了 and that's how we end up moving in together.
发件人:希拉里 收件人:塞拉斯 日期 2011年2月7日
早上好塞拉斯小姐 希望你早安 谢谢你帮忙安排 孩子们的篮球时间 十分感激 尼克·希拉里
发件人:塞拉斯 收件人:希拉里 日期 2011年3月23日
你好希拉里先生 我今晚要和加勒特谈下心 我知道他需要我的帮忙 但毫无疑问 我不是啥老师的料
我需要你帮忙 我爱你
发件人:希拉里 收件人:塞拉斯 日期 2011年3月4日
塞拉斯小姐 提醒我待会和你聊聊莎娜的事 关于她的行为 和她总体对人生的态度
这件事真得需要你帮忙 爱你
快和同志们随便说几句话 塞拉斯夫人 What do you have to say to the people, Mrs. Cyrus?
-别让我说话了 -什么 - Don't make me talk. - What?
你对同志们就说这吗 Is that what you have to say to the people?
少来 Knock it off.
来嘛 跟同志们说点什么 Come on, say something to the people.
同志们好 Hello, people.
发件人:希拉里 收件人:塞拉斯 日期 2011年3月4日
早上好塞拉斯小姐 和你上班路上的聊天 一如既往的开心
我知道你最近一直很烦恼人生中的难题 那从来都不是件容易的事
特别是当有些事很敏感的时候
坦迪:我的一个孩子 对我和一个黑人约会发了牢骚
坦迪:说了很讽刺的话
我当然不想让我的孩子去经受那些东西 And obviously, I would not like that for my child,
我也不觉得 and I don't think it was fair for her
这种经历 and her son
对她和她的儿子公平 to have to experience that.
所以那应该是根本的原因 And I think that was one of the root cause
导致我们决定 as to why we made the decision that,
我们各自住在各自的家里 you know, it would be best if she has her own abode,
这样对大家都好 and I have my own abode.
蒂施勒:你跟奥拉尔分手的原因什么
坦迪:我的孩子们不喜欢他 他自己也清楚
坦迪:我们决定慢慢解决这个问题
我们本来先打算分居
因为当时还一起住在斯普林街的房子里
坦迪:所以我们打算住分开的公寓
他们讨论过分手 They talked about going their separate ways,
约翰·琼斯 副治安官 坦迪·赛勒斯前男友
她是这么跟我说的 is what she had told me.
然后我说 And I said, you know,
"那你可以先开始找个地方住 "Well, why don't you start looking for your own place?
我认识一些房东" I know some people that own apartments."
所以我打电话给他们 他们说 So I gave a call and they said,
"好啊 我们在市场街100号有空房间" "Yeah, we got a place at 100 Market Street."
北方庄园公寓 100市场街
虽然那里离我比较远 I looked at it as the convenience of,
但我选那里的原因 not being close to me,
是为了孩子们的便利 it was the convenience for the boys.
我心里一直都是以孩子们优先 I guess I always put the boys first.
这是一次能让他们 Here's an opportunity for them
开始新生活的机会 to start a new life.
据我所知 As far as I knew,
她和尼克就没有再见面了 that her and Nick were not seeing each other,
但是有人告诉我 but I was enlightened
他们 that, you know,
他们偶尔还会聚一聚 they were kind of hanging out once in a while, occasionally.
因为我们这个社区很小 Obviously, it's a small community,
所以分手的话别人也能理解 "行吧 so now everybody would be saying, "Okay, all right,
她跟俩儿子住一起 So she's living with her two sons
他跟他女儿住一起" and he's living with his daughter."
我们这样能让孩子们的压力 That would have taken the pressure off
不那么大 the kids.
没人需要知道 I mean, no one would have to know
我们俩 that we have
还在继续交往 a relationship going.
但是我们每次相聚之后的分别 But, you know, with every separation
都让我们反思这段感情 comes reassessment,
我们最后觉得 and we figured that
为了孩子们和所有人好 in the best interests of the kids and everyone,
我们只做朋友就行 you know, we'll just be friends.
这段感情就这样结束了 And that's how it actually ended.
发件人 坦迪·塞拉斯
我一直在等你和我孩子的关系好起来 但是一年了 并没有
发件人 坦迪·塞拉斯
我不想伤害你的感情 但在我心中孩子是第一位的
发件人 尼克·希拉里
我把情况告诉了我几个朋友 想得到他们的支持
发件人 尼克·希拉里
我现在感到好空虚 好困惑
他是最后一个 He was the last...
她的前男友 他们的分手中 her ex-boyfriend, and there were issues
有一些问题 about their breakup
很明确地 that specifically
指向了加勒特 were cited to be about Garrett.
我觉得那时 And I guess that's when...
我心里就开始起了疑心 Your suspicion starts building at that point.
加勒特不喜欢你 他完全受不了你
你好 Yes?
尼克·希拉里
马克·默里 波茨坦警局首席调查官
加勒特死后2.5小时
你是刚刚打了电话 但是我孩子在我这里
你能不能来我家和我谈
你住哪里
牧场东
好 几号牧场东
希拉里
E6号公寓 Apartment E6.
E6 好的 E6? Sure.
我坐在尼克对面的沙发上 Sat on the couch across from Nick,
他看上去好像刚刚洗了澡 looks like he was freshly showered,
穿着袜子 凉鞋 wearing socks, sandals,
运动裤之类的 like, some athletic pants
还有长袖衫 and a long-sleeved shirt.
伊恩·费尔利 他的助理教练 Ian Fairlie, his assistant coach,
走到屋外 went outside...
那有个带窗户的门廊 there's a porch with all windows...
我们没在那待多久 we weren't there very long...
五到十分钟左右吧 five, ten minutes.
"我女儿说出了点事但我完全不清楚" "我感觉心如死灰" "我的天哪" 他看起来很难过-手捂着头
那是我刚刚听说 That was the first time I learned that
他在那天晚上去世了 he had passed that night
警察来的时候 when the cops came to my apartment
他们告诉我 and told me
他死了 that he had passed away.
我们在他屋外的门廊坐着 We were sitting on his outdoor porch,
然后他告诉我加勒特死了 and that's when he said Garrett had died.
当时我们都很沉默 There was just silence,
有好一会我们都没说话 neither of us spoke for a while.
我们都沉浸在悲伤里 It was just kind of sinking in,
完全不敢置信 like, "Whoa."
当时的感觉 And that was just
整个人都木了 a very numbing feeling,
当我知道... knowing that, you know,
这跟知道他生病了根本不一样 it's not like he was sick.
当我知道 And to have learned
他去世了的时候 that he just passed away...
而且当时他们没有告诉我他的死因 And there was no reasons given or anything like that...
我当时 Yeah, I mean...
我当时都说不出话来 I was at a loss for words.
我疯狂地 And I frantically
开始想着 started figuring out,
去联系坦迪 you know, reaching out to Tandy,
联系家里的所有人 reaching out to the family members,
想去知道到底发生了什么 trying to find out what was going on.
我不停地在打电话 So I was making phone calls.
那天尼克 Nick called me
很晚的时候给我来电话 late that night.
他的声音 The sound in his voice,
很奇怪 it was weird.
知道吗 他听起来 You know, he just sounded
很失落很抑郁 down and depressed.
然后他告诉我 And, you know, he told me,
加勒特死了 you know, Garrett died.
然后 And...
然后他告诉我 and then he told me, you know,
是警察来告诉他的 the cops came and told him.
当时 And right there,
就那个时刻 that was when...
我内心有了一股律师的直觉 you know, the lawyer in me kicked off,
我就觉得这件事 and I thought there was something
很奇怪 very strange about that.
我觉得给一个前男友 I would not say it's normal
发这种死亡通告不太正常 to give an ex a death notification.
我联系了坦迪 I reached out to Tandy,
但是我没 and I never
收到她的回信 heard back from Tandy.
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我很肯定是他干的 No doubt in my mind he did it.
这不完全是因为 And I don't base that strictly on...
先入为主地认为是他 wanting to say it's him.
而是来自我的经验 I base it on the knowledge
以及和我一起在执法部门工作的人的经验 of many of the guys I work with in law enforcement
我们一起调查这件案子 that investigated this
每天20多个小时的挖掘 and put 20-hours-plus a day
试图找到 into trying to find
真正的凶手 the right person to put to this.
每个同事都告诉我 And each one of 'em told me,
尼克就是凶手 "Nick's the guy."
波茨坦市应急服务中心
时间11点43分 11:43 a.M.
局长办公室
你好 埃德 Hi Ed.
埃德·蒂施勒 波茨坦市警局局长
里克·史密斯 纽约州警署署长
加勒特死后16小时
你好啊 里克 最近怎么样 Hey Rick, how's it goin'.
你那情况怎么样 How you doin'?
我们就坚持着呗 Oh, we're hanging in there.
做点力所能及的事 Do what we can do.
不过真的感谢你们的帮助
州警署也在帮我们了 要是没有你们就真的...
史密斯署长 我们会尽可能帮你们的 我们一定要破这个案子
史密斯署长 你明白我意思吧 十二岁的孩子没了性命...
史密斯署长 我们一定得把凶手抓起来
蒂施勒警长 我们现在有个嫌疑非常大的目标
蒂施勒警长 我们现在在集中调查他
我们发现了一个12岁孩子的尸体 Okay, we've got a dead 12-year-old.
最先的48小时至关重要 And the first 48 hours of this are critical.
杰西·麦金利 纽约时报奥尔巴尼总编辑
凶手还逍遥法外 And we have a killer on the run.
我们必须找到 And we have to find out
真正的凶手 who did this,
所以站在警方的角度 so you can understand
你也可以理解他们 the police's viewpoint.
但是你也必须提出疑问 And yet you do also have to raise questions
比如 as to
为什么他们会笃定是尼克·希拉里 why they chose Nick Hillary,
为什么说他是凶手 why he was the guy,
他们找到了什么样的证据 what sort of evidence they were working with,
他们查到了什么样的线索 what sort of tips they were working with,
他们有没有跟进其他线索 were they following other tips,
有没有其他嫌疑人 were there other suspects,
在他们如此关注尼克的同时 were there other people that,
会不会错失掉 as they were focusing so heavily on Nick,
其他的嫌疑人 they could've gotten away?
据邻居描述 Neighbors say
他们听到公寓里 they heard loud noises
也就是发现菲利普斯死亡的地点 coming from the apartment
传来很大的噪音 where Phillips was found dead.
我们在帮他换轮胎 We were changing his tire,
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一直听到什么东西裂开的声音 and we kept hearing this ripping noise.
然后我们回家三十分钟后 And 30 minutes after coming inside,
我们发现 we come to find out
香农·哈里斯 取证记录 我们刚刚进到安德鲁的公寓之后就开始下大雨
警察来了 that the police were here.
我们觉得挺难过的 It was kind of depressing knowing that maybe
要是我们在楼下多待五分钟 if we stayed down there five more minutes,
那个凶手可能就能抓到了 the person would've been caught.
我认为杀害加勒特·菲利普斯的凶手 I do believe whoever murdered Garrett Phillips
调查线索表 香农·哈里斯 听到开裂声音
应该是5点20之后离开的现场 left the scene after 5:20.
我当时听到的流言是 加勒特和一些孩子关系不好 I heard maybe Garrett didn't get along with a few kids
可能是他们之中的一员干的 And that it could've been one of them,
但这个流言很短 but it was very brief
今天也没有人再提起它了 and nobody mentions it to this day.
这个小镇子里万事都很无聊 There's not a lot to do in the town,
所以他们会去公园 so they go to the park,
打闹 they hang out,
做一些小孩子不该做的事 they do things they shouldn't be doing.
他们结成帮派 They get in big groups
因为实在没别事可做 because there's nothing else to do.
我不知道他们什么时候开始关注的尼克·希拉里 I don't know where they came up with the name Nick Hillary.
我也不知道是不是因为他是黑人 I don't know if it was because he was African American,
还是他们真的有关于他的线索 or if they actually had a lead on him,
但我觉得他就是个背锅的体质 but I think he was the easiest target.
我觉得媒体把这件事渲染的感觉像是我们种族歧视 I think the media makes it seem that we're racist,
但我觉得我们不是 But I don't think we necessarily are.
只是我们这里黑人 There's just not a lot of African Americans
相比城里真的不多 compared to a city.
这个地方 Couple things always strike me
有几个特点很能吸引到我 about this part of the world.
一是来这里没有一条近路 One is that there's no easy way to get here.
几乎没有 It is almost impossible
能直达这里的方法 to get here quickly,
这也可能是很多人选择住在这里的原因 which I think for some people that live here is the appeal.
你住在一个偏远的小镇 You know, you have a place that is removed.
一个 You have a place
风景秀丽的桃源 that has a great deal of natural beautiful.
如果你喜欢田园风光 If you like farmland,
在这住会特别合你心意 this is a nice place to live.
在这可以很便宜地买个房子 You can pick up a house here pretty cheap.
而且以前这里像样的生计还挺多的 For a long time there were pretty decent jobs.
有砂岩开采 There was sandstoning
有轻工业 and kind of light manufacturing.
但是后来的几十年 What's happened, however,
发生了各种事情 in the last few decades,
这类工作机会枯竭了 is that those types of jobs have dried up,
出租
这里陷入了真正的经济低迷 And a kind of real economic depression has set in here.
在这种情况下 And with some of that you've had,
事实就是 for lack of a better word,
城市化的辣手伸向了这座小镇 more cosmopolitan problems coming to town.
稍微大一点的地方 You've got heroin
毒品泛滥 in some of the larger towns.
在很多城镇里 You've got high unemployment
出租
失业率越来越高 in a lot of these towns.
你会发现很多挣扎于生计的人 You've got people that are struggling.
这有很多毒品交易 There's a lot of drugs here.
在马塞纳 There have been, in Massena,
海洛因泛滥 had a real issue with heroin.
在奥格登斯堡 We had Ogdensburg had a problem
就很多可卡因的毒贩 with crack cocaine.
然后 And then there are people just
制毒的人到处都是 cooking meth all over the place,
毒贩就在自己家 These little one-stop shops
做着制毒贩毒 where people are doing it in their homes
一条龙的生意 and things like that.
我们说起北边那些城市 We talk about the North Country
总说它们多么白人至上 as being really white
娜塔莎·哈弗蒂 北方公共广播电台记者
多么偏僻 and remote,
而且波茨坦还是 but also that Potsdam is situated in
"纽约州监狱之乡"这样的地方 New York's prison country.
圣劳伦斯县监狱
这里就像是一个 It's a community and an area that kind of, like,
从生下来就要开始赎罪的地方 its lifeblood is corrections.
感谢保卫社区治安的执法机构
感恩法治
这里所谓的种族多样性就是 And we think about racial dynamics,
很多白人仅有的 how a lot of white people's
跟黑人有交流的情况是 only interactions with black people
白人狱警穿着制服 are when they're in a uniform as a corrections officer...
或者保护服 guarding...
去看守黑人犯人 inmates of color.
这是关于这个地方的基本常识 It's just something to keep in mind.
波茨坦市法院
波茨坦
但是确实也有四所大学 But there's also four colleges
在十英里范围内 within 10 miles of here.
纽约州立大学坎顿校区
你会看到一个非常有趣的现象 So you've got this really interesting dynamic
虽然这里给人的印象一直都十分保守封建 where you do have a certain conservative rural bent to it.
克拉克森大学
圣劳伦斯大学
纽约州立大学波茨坦校区
但驱车到这 你会发现到处都是 Driving up here, you see a Confederate flag
南部联盟的旗帜 here and there.
也会有 But then you also have,
大学的酒吧 you know, college bars,
大学的活动 and college activities,
自由主义的呼声 and more kind of liberal-seeming functions
心平战止
在你身边产生影响 going on around you.
对我来说有两层意义 See, for me it's like two-fold.
第一个经历是 The first experience was
我在圣劳伦斯大学 when I was a student at St. Lawrence.
圣劳伦斯大学
作为学生你可以享受 As a student you had the luxury
大学社区的环境 of the campus community.
然后当我从学校毕业 Then, once I came back,
返校的时候 after graduating St. Lawrence,
以辅导员兼 in a faculty-slash-
教练的职位 coaching position
为这些年轻人做指导的时候 wherein which now you're mentoring young adults
让他们为走向社会做准备 and preparing them for the real world,
你会开始和社区 you start to interact a lot more with
有更多的交互 the community.
在他和坦迪交往之前 Nick and I were friends
我和尼克就是朋友 prior to Tandy and Nick dating.
倒不是什么特别亲密的朋友吧 I don't want to say we were close friends.
我们是熟人 We were acquaintances.
我们见面的时候 If we saw each other,
也会打个招呼 we wouldn't have a problem
问个好啥的 Saying hi to each other and what have you.
约翰·琼斯 John... John Jones,
当地片警的警察 local sheriff guy.
他在整个社区很有名气 someone who's well-known in the community as well.
他是土生土长的本地人 I mean, born and raised here.
他当时是坦迪的男朋友 he was Tandy's boyfriend
在我跟坦迪交往之前就是她的男朋友 prior to Tandy and I hanging out.
当我和坦迪刚认识的时候 They were living together
他们在同居 when Tandy and I was first socializing.
她一出现 绝对是 You know, there was no doubts
是很引人注目的 that she got a lot of attention when she was out there,
我也很享受这种 And I enjoyed that aspect of
女伴一出现 having a woman
周围的人就叹为观止的这种感觉 that people were like, "Wow, she's good-looking."
很喜欢这种感觉 So I enjoyed... you know, it didn't bother me.
从坦迪和我的关系开始有裂痕之后 When Tandy and I started having real difficulties
直到最后 toward the end,
我都在想搞清楚 I was trying to figure out,
到底怎么了 you know, what's goin' on,
发生了什么 what's happening.
然后我们提到过几次尼克的事 And Nick's name was brought up a couple times.
而且我在刚巧那个地点 And I just happened to be at the right place
恰巧的时间 at the right time
看到了他们俩在一个早上开车从我身边经过 to see the two of 'em drive by one early morning.
我觉得我有必要 And so I felt the need to
亲自搞清楚 find out for myself
他们是不是开始约会了 if they were dating each other,
如果是 我也能继续过我自己的日子 then I can move on in my life
把这件事翻篇 and start dating myself.
我去尼克家 And so I confronted Nick
跟他对质了 at his residence...
他敲门 Knocked on my door,
当时我住在这里 which at the moment I was living here,
那时我还没跟斯塔西亚分开 at this point in time I had not separated from Stacia.
当时就我们之间的感情而言 So this was, like, real early in our relationship.
我不觉得 I don't think, I mean,
我都不会把 I wouldn't even classify
那时我跟坦迪的交往 my interactions with Tandy
称作是一段恋情 at that time as a relationship.
我们只是作为朋友聊聊天 We were just friends talking.
"尼克 咱们来场男人之间的对话吧 "Nick, can we be just men here for a minute,
你就不能爷们点告诉我 and just man up and tell me whether or not
你们两个到底是不是在一起了" you two are seeing each other?"
他当时说 "绝对没有" And he told me, "Absolutely not,"
他说他们没在约会 That they weren't seeing each other,
但他让我好好去和坦迪聊聊 But that I should talk to Tandy.
你懂的 如果他知道 You know, if he knew
我当时在跟她约会的话 that I was dating her,
他会做出什么事来 what he would have done,
踢门进我家 you know, kicked my door in,
指着鼻子骂我 call me names, you know,
真的 挺可怕的 just... real threatening.
不用多聪明的人 Doesn't take someone of
都能想明白 much intelligence to figure out
很明显这背后有故事 that obviously there's something going on there.
之后我就给坦迪发短信 So I text Tandy soon after
跟她说 and said, you know,
"分手吧" "This is it."
跟你承认了吧 我是说 Grant you, and, I mean,
这件事我也觉得不怎么光彩 this is not something that I'm explicitly proud of.
很明显 我跟我孩子的母亲 Obviously, I was still living here
一起住在这里 with the mother of my kids.
我觉得可能是孩他妈听说了什么 I guess word got to the kids' mom
我跟坦迪在一起的传闻 that I was hanging out with Tandy.
斯塔西亚·李
我有一天碰到斯塔西 Apparently, I enlightened Stacy one day to say,
我跟她打招呼 "How's it going?" and she says, "Good,"
然后我说"现在尼克跟坦迪在一起了 and I said, "Are you doing okay with the situation
你还好吗" with Nick and Tandy?"
她却什么都不知道 还问我什么意思 And she was like, "What do you mean?"
坦迪和斯塔西亚关系不好 So Tandy and Stacia were not cordial.
马克·默里 波茨坦警察局 首席调查官
在那期间她们之间 There's some domestic incidents
还有一些小插曲 that happened in the interim,
有一次斯塔西亚还被捕过 one in which Stacia was arrested for,
因为她剪了他的衣服 for cutting up his clothes and dropping them off
扔在公寓外面的草地上 on the lawn of his apartment.
还有个公开审理的案件 尼克的车被划了 There was an open case, Nick had his car keyed,
他不确定是不是约翰·琼斯干的 and he wasn't sure if it was John Jones that did it,
还是斯塔西亚干的 or if it was Stacia that did it.
一直到最后我也不确定是谁划的他的车 And ultimately, I'm not sure who keyed his car.
这件事让他在社区很不好看 It didn't look very well on him in the community,
他竟然把自己的漂亮女友 and obviously him losing his girlfriend
输给了一个黑人 to an African American,
这也太不符合常理了 it just was not playing out right.
约翰他就是这样的人 So, you know, that's who John is.
他从电影院出来 He's right out of a movie.
伊恩·费尔利 助理足球教练
尼克在和警长的前女友约会 Nick's dating the sheriff's, like, ex-girl.
这真有趣 而且他还很高调 Oh, that's fun. And he's not being quiet about it.
而且还不止如此 He's not just letting it happen.
但是当加勒特死了之后 And then once Garrett passed,
他的态度就立刻变了 it was, like, instantly,
就像是"好吧 就这样了" you know, it was, like, "All right, here we go."
从周二晚上到周三早上的谈话使我们确信 The buildup Tuesday night into Wednesday morning is,
我们需要再次和尼克交谈 问题实在是太多了 we gotta talk to Nick again, there's too much stuff here.
我们正在排除其他所有人的嫌疑 We're clearing everybody else
这些人要么有不在场证明 要么因为别的原因被排除了 as either alibied or precluded for a number of reasons.
我们必须要去找到... We've got to find out what's...
尼克与本案的关联程度不止这么一点 There's more to this with Nick's involvement.
全名:坦迪·林恩·赛勒斯
我们家里人隔天就知道 尼克是加勒特死亡案的嫌疑人了
我从未想过 I never thought for a second
她明知我的为人 that she would... even... fathom the idea
却会探究这种想法 to want to go along with such a theory,
甚至支持这种猜想 knowing who I am.
和一个人相处这么久 You spend time with people...
显然我们已经相识一年了 And obviously, we knew each other for 12 months.
如果我们没有住在一起 It would be a difference if,
只是偶尔见见对方 you know, we lived apart,
我没有在她家里呆过 saw each other on occasions,
那我可以理解她这样想 never spent any time in her environment.
但是我和这个年轻的女人 This is a young lady who has traveled
一起游玩过不同的国家 to different countries with me.
我们无时无刻不在一起 She's been around me 24/7, 365,
我希望我能和 and I would hope that the person
和我一起度过了那段时光的女人 that she has been around that entire time, even to the point
尽管我们已经分手了 wherein which we had broken off the relationship,
我们依然能够进行理性的对话 we still maintained civil dialogue.
我在半吨酒吧烧烤店 你来一趟吧 我们还是朋友 你也依旧是我遇到过的最好的舞伴
发件人 坦迪·赛勒斯
但是 你懂的 人很容易被影响 But, you know, people can be manipulated.
特别是她在这个镇子里出生 在这个镇子里长大 When she is someone who is born and raised in the town,
所以很显然 如果她决定在这种情况下站在多数人那边 and obviously if she has to decide with a group
而不想孤立无援 not to be an island in the situation,
我自然也明白 then obviously I could see
她支持执法部门 why she would want to side
的原因了 with the law enforcement up there.
整件事在我脑海里回放了无数次 当我把整件事情都拼凑完整时
我还是想不出除了他之外的 任何一个人会想要伤害加特勒
指挥部知道他那天晚上有一场足球比赛 The command post knew that there was a soccer game
所以他们就去现场监视他了 going on that night, went to the game just to observe.
经过对他的直接观察 My observations of him directly,
我发现他的确受伤了 he did have some sort of injury or something.
他右腿走路不敢用力 He was favoring his right leg.
他右腿明显一瘸一拐的
默里警官提通过提交自己的宣誓证词 Officer Murray had put in his sworn affidavit
警督 马克·R·默里
得到了一张搜查证 to get a search warrant, right,
他证词里写到他发现希拉里先生 so it's sworn to, that he observed Mr. Hillary
丽莎·马尔科西亚和曼尼·塔法里 尼克的朋友兼律师
明显腿瘸了 with a significant limp.
-谋杀后的第二天 -谋杀后的第二天 - The day after the murder. - The day after the murder
当希拉里在指导足球比赛的时候 while he was coaching a soccer game.
我猜那对希拉里的意思就是 他可能 And I guess to him, this shows that he could've jumped out
从窗户跳出来 伤到了自己 the window and injured himself.
但一年之后 我们发现了比赛视频 And years later, we discovered the video.
警方视频 2011.10.25
希拉里步步生风 Hillary is walking very well,
他甚至只花了那群十九二十岁的队员 and he beats a bunch of 19- and 20-year-olds
一半的时间就走到了更衣室 to the locker room at halftime.
所以为什么一个警官 So why would a police officer,
在谋杀案发生的仅一天后 in the middle of a murder case, only the day after,
明知道他没有瘸腿 make up a story about a significant limp,
却编造了一个意味深长的瘸腿故事 when he knows that there's none?
视频中有些时候他看起来 There's points in time where he looks like
走路完全没问题 he's walking perfectly fine,
但另外有些时候会让你觉得 and there's points in time where you wonder
他是不是在努力隐藏他腿瘸了的事实 if he's trying to conceal or he's got a sore leg.
在我看来这很重要 比如 It's significant to me, like,
看起来他右腿走路不敢用力 that looks like he's favoring his right leg.
他又不是截肢了什么的 It's not like he had to amputate it.
有个律师联系我 大致是说 I was contacted by a lawyer who basically said that
他觉得纽约州北部的一个黑人遭受了 there was a case that he viewed as a railroading of a black man
诬告 in northern New York.
最关键的是这个男子 And the essential idea there was that this guy
完全没有前科 had kind of a spotless record,
又是一个退伍老兵 he was a military veteran,
还是社区的一员 he was a member of the community,
明星运动员 He was a star athlete,
作为教练 前程一片大好 he had a promising career as a coach,
并且没有任何迹象表明这个男人 And that there was no indication that this guy
牧场东社区
有能力犯下这种罪行 would be capable of this type of crime,
但是案件调查速度却飞快 and yet things were moving forward fairly rapidly.
早间新闻
他们在星期三早上要求我 They ordered me down to the station
去警察局 the Wednesday morning.
2011年10月26日
尼克打电话告诉我说 I get a call from Nick saying,
"警察在我家门口" "The police are at my door."
瞬间 Right away,
不是什么警铃大作 it wasn't alarm bells as much as,
根本就是一颗炸弹在我脑子里爆炸了 you know, an explosion that went off in my brain.
那一刻我就知道 And I knew right then, right there,
他们准备栽赃尼克为杀人凶手 That they were about to frame Nick Hillary for murder.
马克·默里和加里·斯内尔告诉尼克·希拉里 这次会面的目的是排查加勒特班级名单里的学生
波茨坦 警察局
你懂的 You know, as...
作为有色人种 a person of color,
常常会有人告诉我 oftentimes you're told...
"不要跟警察说话" "Don't talk to the police."
没有原因 Just because.
和奥拉尔·尼克·希拉里的谈话 早上8:28分
但是因为我没啥可担心的 But not having anything to worry about,
所以我想尽可能地提供帮助 I want to be as helpful as possible
因为我曾和这个年轻人一起生活过 Because this is a young man that has lived with me,
他也生活在我孩子的周围 在我曾经的生活里占据一席之地 lived around my kids, definitely has a part of my history.
他就在我的记忆里 He's inside there.
默里:先等我一下 好吗
所以很显然 只要有什么能做的 So obviously, whatever I could do
可以帮助解决这个情况 to help you guys resolve this situation,
我都会支持 I'm on board.
斯内尔:不如先告诉他 他的权利之类的
希拉里:如果你们要宣读 我的权利了...
默里:我们没必要...
默里:但如果你想听 我们可以读给你听 但这不适用于你
默里:你没有被逮捕
斯内尔:话说回到这个案子上
斯内尔:你和坦迪约会有多久了
希拉里:从去年9月开始的
我觉得... I think...
很多参与这个案件的警察 a lot of these cops who were involved
会这样想 "如果尼克可以抢走我们朋友的女人 felt as though, "lf Nick could steal our friend's woman...
他也可能抢走我们的" then what about ours?"
斯内尔:她很明显长得很漂亮 总是吸引别人的目光 你懂我的意思吧
斯内尔:还有别的人对她 表现出很大的兴趣吗
斯内尔:你知道几个呢 我知道几个
我知道有几个人一直很喜欢她
希拉里:我不知道
斯内尔:真的不知道吗
希拉里:是的
很显然 如果你在处理 Obviously, when you're dealing with
12岁男孩的谋杀案 the death of a 12-year-old boy,
你肯定会问这些问题的 we gotta talk about this stuff.
我们没法直接装作 We can't just throw it out the window
什么也没有 and pretend it doesn't exist.
毕竟世事难料 All bets are off.
斯内尔:是你提出分手的还是她提出分手的 过程是怎么样的
希拉里:我们分居了
斯内尔:分居了
我们不是那种分手之后就两看生厌的 It's not one of those relationships where people break up
恋爱关系 and there's hostility.
从来都不是那样 You know, it was never like that.
而是恰恰相反的 Quite the opposite, you know?
所以当我知道这些故事之后 So it was very surprising to me
我感到很诧异 to have learned all these...stories...
我在想我们的关系到底怎么了 as to what was going on with our relationship.
和伊恩·费尔利的谈话 2011.10.26 上午8:55
并不是这样的 It wasn't like that.
调查员佩茨:他想要讨回她的欢心
佩茨:我一点也不相信
佩茨:你作为他在这个世界上最好的朋友
10月26号 伊恩·费尔利也被带到警察局问话
或者至少是这个地方最好的朋友 or at least in this area of the world,
却一点也没发觉 that you wouldn't know that.
如果我们从别人那里 And if we're getting the wrong impression
了解到的情况是错误的 from these other people, then...
佩茨:那就说明我工作做得不好
佩茨:因为我们从别人那里了解到的情况就是这样子的
到警察局的时候我发现 Went down to the police station. I actually noticed
在5点到5:15分之间 尼克在我家坐了几分钟 然后他去办公室了 我们在5:45分要和一个球员开个会 大概5分钟之后我跟着他去了他的办公室 那个球员没有出现 但我们跟他在电话上交谈了
尼克的SUV在那里 我就想 "好吧 Nick's SUV in there, So I was, like, "All right...
只是问问" "尼克也在这" just asking," you know, "Nick's down here..."
调查员利维森:他是像运动员那类人
我不是在评判他什么的
费尔利:很难说 因为...
费尔利:他很外向 他喜欢笑 永远是开怀大笑
费尔利:所以我觉得他给大家留下这种印象 但这不是他真实的样子...
利维森:大家都挺喜欢他 是吗
费尔利:没错 我意思是他...
费尔利:他是倾诉的好对象
费尔利:像我所说的 他很喜欢大笑 脸上永远是笑意
所以很难不被他吸引
但至于他约女孩子之类的事 But as far as meeting girls or anything...
费尔利:他的确和女性交谈
利维森:但他没有问题
费尔利:但我不常见到他把人带回家
费尔利:他和斯塔西亚或坦迪一起时 也不会带酒吧的人回家过夜 从不
利维森:坦迪对你来说更加特别吗
或者你觉得她只是众多人中的一个
费尔利:说实话 我不知道
费尔利:他从来没和我说过他想娶她 从来没有
利维森:当情这段关系进展不顺利时 他会大发雷霆吗
费尔利:是的
费尔利:当然关于这个我也找他聊了会
费尔利:他当然很爱她 他们依然保持频繁的沟通
费尔利:我想他们是想修补这段关系 看看是否可能
费尔利:在分居期间 让这段关系继续下去
费尔利:但之后
一切开始走下坡路 他们交流得越来越少
费尔利:就像是 "好吧 我们什么都别再说了" 她想要自己的空间 他也没有异议
还是那些问题 尼克的背景 我是怎么认识他的 Same questions. Nick's background, how I knew Nick,
他是怎么认识加勒特的 我又是怎么认识加勒特的 how he knew Garrett, how I knew Garrett,
我是怎么认识坦迪的 都是一样的问题 how I knew Tandy, how... Same questions,
把他们的关系网建立起来 just kind of relationship-building,
我对他们的关系又知道些什么 What I knew about the relationships.
默里:你经常接你的孩子放学吗
默里:你的女儿
她在上高中吗 她走路回家的吗
希拉里:她是在上高中
默里:她叫什么名字
希拉里:马克 我不想让你为难 但是...
你是叫我来看一份名单的
希拉里:而你们现在在这里
问我一大堆问题
好吧 Okay.
希拉里:我不介意回答问题
但是我在回答问题的时候
我想知道都是关于什么的
默里:没问题
我只是想获取关 于你女儿的一些信息
希拉里:对这就是我要问的
默里:关于这发生的一切 她有听到什么流言吗
默里:我想说 你来是要帮我 解决一些我想不通的问题的
希拉里:那我对此也一无所知
你知道你可以 You know that you can, uh...
斯内尔:你随时都可以走 尼克
希拉里:我想尽可能帮上忙
斯内尔:那好 我们想要排除 你与这件案子的关联
希拉里:我是这件案子的 嫌疑人吗
希拉里:你用了 排除这个词 听起来很严重
斯内尔:任何人对我们来说 都有嫌疑
整个小镇都有嫌疑好吧
所有的小孩都是如此
默里:我们现在进展很快
这是我能提供的 最友好轻松的方式了
没人知道你在这里
除了我和加里
就是这样
默里:如果我们真的把你当成
像你说的嫌疑人
你的处境就会完全不一样
斯内尔:你还记得你周一 都做了什么吗
周一是一周的第一天 就是两天前
希拉里:记得很清楚
斯内尔:好的
斯内尔:这不难 尼克
这都是些简单的问题 好吧
默里:我们的时间线是这样
默里:我们之前和你聊过 你提到你当时在锻炼
那次锻炼是在周一哪个时间段呢 你还记得吗
希拉里:无可奉告
默里:对在哪个时间段无可奉告吗
希拉里:无可奉告
还是那句话 马克 See, again, Mark...
默里:我觉得
默里:我真不明白 你们觉得我们在说什么
这次采访已经很明显了 It's pretty clear into the interview
他只是来讲关于他学生的事情 that he is only there to talk about his students,
除此之外他任何问题都不愿意回答 he's not gonna answer any other questions.
我记得我问他 "那天你是在哪个时间锻炼的" I think I asked him, "What time was practice that day for ya?"
他回答 "无可奉告" And he's like, "No comment."
这就让我觉得很奇怪 And it just struck me as odd.
希拉里:我们就开诚布公好吗
斯内尔:好啊 你想要开诚布公 那你就要说实话
希拉里:你们之前要我来是做什么的
默里:来审阅学生的名单
希拉里:那这学生名单在哪里呢
默里:行 我去拿来
斯内尔:我们别把事情搞得太难堪
希拉里:我没有 你叫什么名字来着
斯内尔:加里 斯内尔
州警察局的警官加里·斯内尔
我在州警察局工作已经超过20年了
斯内尔:这不是我第一次问询别人了 好吗
希拉里:我明白的 我明白的
斯内尔:跟他们一家聊完之后
这是这里迄今为止最大的一桩案子
希拉里:这当然是一件重案
斯内尔:我知道你此前已经听说过了
但这是你的米兰达警告
斯内尔:你没有被捕 明白吗
希拉里:我在听你说
斯内尔:在你做草率的决定前 我想请你先听我讲
斯内尔:你到这里的时候 我就已经跟你说了 我不会撒谎
希拉里:我明白
斯内尔:有个问题已经困扰我三天了
我得再问你一次 好吗
斯内尔:你有权保持沉默
你所说的一切都可能在法庭上 成为对你不利的证据
你有权和你的律师讨论
如果你被询问了 这些内容也可以公开披露
希拉里:好的 你刚刚宣读了我的米兰达权利
《第六修正案》赋予了被告人对质权
而我现在要动用《第六修正案》了
斯内尔:你在给谁打电话吗
希拉里:是的
斯内尔:你没听完我的问题 这个问题很简单
希拉里:我明白的 加里
你给我念了我的米兰达权利
你清楚你一旦给我念了我的米兰达权利 那么不管我说什么
你都可以拿来在法庭上攻击我
希拉里:为了防止此事发生 我准备动用我的《第六修正案》权利
斯内尔:所以这是什么意思
希拉里:你知道《第六修正案》是什么
斯内尔:好吧
尼克是名退伍军人 Nick was a former soldier
三十多岁就退伍了 in his thirties,
他还是名教师 he was a teacher,
教练 he was a coach,
他毕业于一所名校 he was a graduate of a very good university.
纪录片《Central Park Five》讲述了五名拉丁裔及黑人男孩被诬告 在纽约中央公园强奸白人妇女 多年后因真凶自首 他们才得以昭雪的故事
所以你们面对的不是一群无知的青少年 So you're not dealing with the Central Park Five
也不是一群十六岁的高中生 or a bunch of 16-year-olds,
更不是十三岁的小孩 or 13-year-olds,
你们不能想让他说什么就说什么 who you can put words in their mouth
也不能说服他相信 and try to convince them
与真相相反的事 that something is what it's not.
利维森:如果我让自己处境不妙的话
他是一个聪明人 我早就知道了
利维森:所以一个聪明的人 他接下来很可能想的是
利维森:"糟糕 我搞砸了"
你有这样的印象吗
费尔利:没有
我没印象他这么做了 所以我不认为...
利维森:咱们就说他就这么做了吧
费尔利:那他会来找我
费尔利:伪造一个可靠的不在场证明 你是这个意思吗
利维森:对
我还被问到 你怎么确定他没做的 Keep me asked, how do you know he didn't do it?
如果他做了的话 Well, if he did do it,
下一分钟我就看到了他 then I saw him a minute later
他还是一如既往 and he was the same person
跟我平时见他一样 走进来 然后就说 I've always met, just walked in, it was like, hey,
进来办公室 开个会 goin' to the office, got this meeting.
你要跟着我进来 You're gonna be right behind me, yeah
你要到场 be right there.
就跟平时一样 Just every other day.
没什么特别的 No big deal.
利维森:在你看来 有什么东西跟以往是不一样的
利维森:像是你的教练到你家里来 这正常吗
费尔利:正常 他经常这么做
费尔利:他就在那边住 如果他看见我的车停在外面
他就会径直走进来
所以我就是他的不在场证明 So I'm his alibi,
我能证明为什么他不可能在那 I'm why he can't be there,
因为他5:21时在这 'cause he was here at 5:21,
因此他们就不断审问我 which is something they grilled me on,
很多次 you know, a lot,
全程没停息过 throughout the whole process.
利维森:如果不是教练干的
利维森:那么就有充足的证据可以证明了
利维森:因为我们认为命案发生后极短时间内
他就去了你家
费尔利家
犯罪现场
利维森:因此实际上每一分钟都很关键
佩茨:你是什么时候在讲电话的
费尔利:我当时在跟公司通电话 他在...
费尔利:是周一 对吧
佩茨:是的
费尔利:是5:21
警察说他们当时就在公寓里面 And the police said they were at the apartment
在5:24的时候 at 5:24,
温特沃斯警官于下午5:24时听到有动静 声音很模糊 但似乎是一个人在来回踱步
然后他听到了脚步声 and he's hearing footsteps,
他倾听着公寓里人们的一举一动 you know, he hears people in the apartment.
所以那段时间就是 So that's right around the time
尼克在我家的时间 that Nick's at my place.
我不会质疑这个 我认为这没问题 I mean, I don't question that. That's a pretty good...
知道了他打这个电话 时间上没问题 To have him have a phone call, the time is good.
但是马克·温特沃斯听到的究竟是什么 But what is Mark Wentworth hearing?
这可怜人一直为此头疼 I mean, this poor guy has tormented over this
从五年前一直到现在 for the last five years into current day saying,
他就在说 you know,
我是听到了风吹百叶窗的声音吗 还是 Did I hear the blinds in the wind? Did I hear...
马克他是听到了肖恩·霍尔 you know, is he hearing Sean Hall
在这老旧的走廊里来回踱步的声音吗 pace back and forth up this rickety hallway
就在我们 while, you know,
等待关键人物到场的时候 we're waiting for a keyholder to get there?
我再次听到了点动静 但是没有人到门前来
在我起身时 房东里克·仲马进来了
安德鲁的车 Andrew's car was
就停在窗户的下方 directly below the window
房子的一个角落里 in the corner of the building.
房子有一个小凹陷 它就停在那 There's a little divot, and it goes in...
香农·哈里斯 邻居
我们就站在垃圾箱旁 We are right there by the dumpsters
能很好的看到窗户那边 with a great view of the window.
我们大概是在4:50到5:20之间下楼的 We were downstairs 4:50 to 5:20.
这个时候 这个人 Where in this window of time
是从窗户的哪边逃走的 does this person escape?
太难以置信了 这是怎么发生的 It's just remarkable. How does this happen?
这个人是怎么做到越过这个窗户逃走 How does this person get out this window and run off,
W. T. 埃克特 记者 沃特敦每日时报
而不被任何一个人发现的 And not seen by anyone?
我觉得无论是谁 他们都会担心 I think whoever it was was terrified
我们不会走开 但他们确实很幸运 that we weren't gonna leave, and they did get very lucky
因为我们确实离开了 他们也可以逃脱 that we did leave and they were able to escape
而不被发现 without being seen.
短信上讲 在4:50到5:20期间 The text messages said we were downstairs
我们在楼下 around 4:50 to 5:20.
佩茨:好的 所以你在5:21打了电话
佩茨:就在他走进门之前
费尔利:对
费尔利:他进来的时候我正把着门
希拉里:你告诉过我我不用在这待很久
默里:只过了一小时而已
对吧 还不到一小时呢
默里:你戴了块手表 现在几点了
希拉里:9:35
斯内尔:你难道不好奇加勒特说了什么 或者他死的时候发生了什么吗
你就真的一点都不好奇吗
斯内尔:我知道你一定很好奇 我也很好奇
希拉里:为什么你不直接告诉我 他都说了什么
默里:你想知道吗
希拉里:告诉我呗 他都讲了些什么
我们这么说吧 Let's put it this way.
斯内尔:如果你和我还有马克 咱们可以聊聊案件的细节
那我会告诉你你想知道的一切
斯内尔:所以我现在就告诉你 你有点问题
我实话对你讲 你有些问题
希拉里:我明白了
斯内尔:那时是白天 五点钟 你在波茨坦的市场街
这是个小地方
斯内尔:我们打太极已经够久了 好吧
希拉里:我在听你说 加里
默里:我认为你去那里 是没有任何要伤害他的动机的
希拉里:去哪里
默里:我认为是没有的
默里:你和某些人是完全不同的
默里:你是城里人 你比我更清楚
默里:外面有些人是很坏的
你不是个坏人
默里:你是个有涵养的人
你在圣劳伦斯大学读过书
你是位教练
马克 马克 Mark. Mark. Mark...
默里:我也是从那毕业的
我很尊重你
默里:也许这件事不太妙 但是
希拉里:我也很尊重你
默里:我是专业人士 你也是
默里:这完全不像是你会做的事情
你不会故意去那些地方 做那种事
默里:我知道
默里:你很难过
他们一家也很心烦意乱
默里:我夹在中间 只是想问
默里:"我能做些什么 可以让这件事完满解决"
默里:"以免事情变得一团糟" 因为这注定会变得相当混乱
斯内尔:尼克 尼克 那是个 12岁的小孩 世事无常啊
斯内尔:我知道那里都发生了什么 好吧
希拉里:好吧 如果你知道事件的经过 那你又告诉我
希拉里:你想告诉我什么
斯内尔:这是一个妨碍你们俩关系的小孩
希拉里:听听你对我说了什么 加里
希拉里:听听你对我说了什么
希拉里:你说过你知道 你说你完全清楚那里都发生了什么
希拉里:"那里"是哪里
斯内尔:公寓里
希拉里:那你知道我为什么在那吗
斯内尔:这是你的机会 尼克
希拉里:那好 我想用这次机会去上班
希拉里:我会很感激你们给我这次机会
希拉里:让我在以后有空的时候 再跟你们谈话
斯内尔:那好吧 具体是什么时候
这不是个时间问题 This is not a time thing,
尼克 Nick, where...
斯内尔:你得把你接下来一两个小时腾出来
斯内尔:好好想想这里都发生了什么 好吗
希拉里:没问题 我都明白
希拉里:你们都在工作吧
是还是不是
默里:尼克 我们都知道今天事关重大
希拉里:马克 听我说
你们是在工作吗
默里:你今天迟些时候准备去上班吗
希拉里:我会去上班的
默里:你确定吗
希拉里:非常确定
默里:考虑到我们暗示的那些谈话内容 依然坚持吗
希拉里:我不知道我们谈的是什么暗示
默里:我没办法改变现状
默里:事实是这样那样
默里:未知的还是未知
希拉里:可以准许我离开吗
默里:你走呗
请问你能带我出去吗 Can you - show me outside, please?
斯内尔:坐回来
默里:有个十二岁的小孩死了 你却告诉我你不愿意告诉我
你锻炼的时间段
默里:你要跟我说你不知道 你锻炼的时间段吗
默里:有个孩子死了啊
斯内尔:你反正都还要在这待一小会
希拉里:加里 拜托
斯内尔:我现在在跟你说话 你听我说
希拉里:你们那天晚上来找我 叫我过来
是不是 马克
斯内尔:是没错
但我想跟你解释几句 行吗
斯内尔:这件事可大可小
什么事都可以选好吧
我知道我有权 Knowing my right...
从这里出去 that I could walk out of there,
或者被关起来 And being barred
人身被禁锢 and blocked physically,
你们就只让我选一个 you, you leave me one choice,
要么是我把手放你们身上 which is to either put my hand on you
叫你们走 to ask you to leave,
要么是我从门口硬冲出去 or bull my way through the door,
而这两个选项 which those two options
对我来说都没有任何好处 provide me nothing good in return.
所以我必须得妥协 So obviously I have to succumb
服从你们的安排 to what you guys are doing,
而且明知道你们在打什么算盘 and knowing intentionally what you're doing...
我却只能傻坐着 and just sit there.
斯内尔:好吧 你可以打给你的律师 或者你做别的事都行
斯内尔 希拉里 默里 Snell, Hillary, Murray
斯内尔:但同时 我们也准备申请一个搜查令
来准许我们
对你的身体进行拍摄取证
斯内尔:像我跟你说的 尼克 你不需要走这样的死胡同
希拉里:我清楚 但是
是你们把我带到这来的
默里:我十点钟有个新闻发布会
现在已经9:45了
默里:我需要跟媒体说 我们的调查还是悬而未决吗
还是说我得告诉他们 有人被羁押着呢
希拉里:我不知道啊
你来告诉我啊
默里:你说你要出去做[声音无法辨识] 而且你根本不打算告诉我
我不是 我没有 No, I'm not... I'm not...
希拉里:我没说拒绝告诉你啊
你听清楚我对你说的话
希拉里:马克
你听我说
希拉里:我不是拒绝告诉你们二位
希拉里:我说的是
你们今早到我家的时候
我是在工作的吧
斯内尔:不是
希拉里:我在看影碟
这是我工作的一部分
斯内尔:所以你确实在工作 行
希拉里:我是在工作的
希拉里:我抽时间过来
是想帮忙的
可突然之间 情况完全变了
斯内尔:确实变了
希拉里:你说是不是
斯内尔:确实
希拉里:我还是跟你们说
我愿意合作 愿意帮忙
斯内尔:好那你听我说
斯内尔:你说你想帮忙
那你放下手机
关机 再来帮我 好吗
斯内尔:我想跟你谈谈
加勒特 我印象中的加勒特
希拉里:你说过你和加勒特说过话
在他出事前
这是你跟我说过的
默里:是的
希拉里:那是你跟我说的 他只是确认了
那是你刚跟我说的
斯内尔:听我说
我是说加勒特说了几句话
还有救护人员在现场
希拉里:行吧
斯内尔:你有看过CSI论文期刊吗
你对DNA有概念吗
希拉里:没有
斯内尔:你看 你对我撒谎了
斯内尔:尼克 你在对我撒谎
希拉里:什么
斯内尔:你当然知道DNA是什么啊
希拉里:我当然知道什么是DNA啊
斯内尔:但你说了"不" 那你就是说你不知道什么是DNA
希拉里:你问我有没有读过CSI论文
斯内尔:那你读过CSI论文吗
希拉里:我读过
斯内尔:你看啊 你就是对我撒谎
斯内尔:听我说 尼克
这不是你能逃脱的事情
你无法逃避
希拉里:曼尼吗
然后我接到了个电话 对方说 And then I receive a call, he's saying,
"他们不想让我走" "They won't let me leave."
我还不太确定究竟发生了什么事 I wasn't sure what was going on,
但我知道无论发生了什么 but I knew whatever was going on
都不会是合法的或者好的 could not be legal or good.
埃姆斯:尼克 你的手机在哪里
你得把它交给我
希拉里:为什么我得把手机给你
埃姆斯:因为我们最后都会拿走它
你已经打完电话了
也跟你律师讲过话了
一切都很好 所以我们需要拿走你的手机
希拉里:我不可能就这么把手机给你
拜托
埃姆斯:不行
你必须把它给我
希拉里:可她随时都会回拨
埃姆斯:那她可以打到警局里来
把你手机给我
我不是要抢你的
你给我就好
普朗蒂:你坐下就行
我们就只需在这待一小会
等一会儿就行
我们在联系法官
我会在这坐着陪你
我猜他们 I guess they were
正在我背后搞事情 workin' behind the scenes.
现在我知道了点 Now that I know a little bit
更多关于那一天的事 more about that particular day,
他们全背着我搞事情 they were working behind the scenes
而且 and...
他们一直在设法将我留下来 just trying to keep me there for the whole time.
摘要:扣留希拉里的汽车的扣留申请表
组长签字:斯内尔
描述:汽车一辆 锁定状态 担保人为P.P.帕森戈特
由马丁汽修厂牵引至波茨坦警察局第二停车间
我是认真的 坐下吧 I'm serious, just sit.
不 我已经在这坐了整整一上午了 No. I've been sitting all morning.
我明白 I understand.
希拉里:你的名字是 Hillary: Your name is?
-我叫雷 对 -雷吗 - I'm Ray. Yeah. - Ray?
希拉里:请问我能接听吗
请允许我接听好吗
普朗蒂:不可以
希拉里 我是普朗蒂 Hillary, Planty speaking,
请允许我接听好吗 Please allow me the opportunity.
曼尼决定了 You know, Mani decided
要排除万难 to haul tail from...
从纽约城一直到这里 New York City all the way up here
作为朋友 给予我帮助 to be of assistance to me as a friend.
所以我上了车 开始行驶 So I got in the car, I started driving.
我打给了我的妻子 I called my wife.
我向她解释说 I explained to her that
我在开车往北走 I'm taking a drive upstate.
她有些惊诧 So she also was a bit shocked and astonished.
马尔科西亚:从那时起 Marcoccia: From that moment on, I mean,
之后的每一天 任何时段 There has not been a day that has passed
就没有不谈论尼克·希拉里的时候 that Nick Hillary has not been discussed
喝早茶时如此 over our morning coffee
喝夜酒时亦然 or our nighttime glass of wine.
一直以来 I mean, it's been...
如果他们要压榨你 When it consumes you,
那他们会把你榨干到一滴都不剩 it's in for a penny, in for a pound.
我们从未预想过 It's nothing that we planned on
要参与得这么深入 getting this much involved in,
但是我们得行动 but we had to act
我们要奔走 去帮助尼克 and we had to move in order to help Nick.
我想要与不公抗争 I mean, I wanted to fight injustice.
从圣劳伦斯毕业之后 I was working in a bank
我在银行上过班 right after St. Lawrence, and,
我永远都在跟人说话 you know, you always talk to people,
永远在帮别人出主意 you always give your views on things.
但过了一阵子之后 我就觉得 And after a while it's like,
我想说什么就说什么 you can talk all you want,
为什么不去实打实地干些什么呢 but why don't you try to change things?
我当时就想着 当一个律师 Being a lawyer I thought was
就是最好的方式 the best way to make a change.
曼尼·塔法里从纽约城开车七个小时赶到了波茨坦 除了打电话给他之外 尼克·希拉里 还打电话给了本地律师 简·加兰德
他援用了自己的权利 Once he invokes his rights
我们为他请了一位律师之后 and we call an attorney for him,
她来跟他一起坐在警察局里 she came and sat with him inside our station.
马可·默里 波茨坦警局 首席调查官
我起草了份搜查令 I wrote a search warrant.
法官批准了 我们合法地 A judge issued the search warrant,and we lawfully
在纽约州条令下执行了搜查 executed the search warrant, the New York State FIU;
搜查过程我办公室摄像头都记录了 it's all on video in my office.
本搜查令签署于2011年10月26日 尼古拉斯·皮格诺法官 波茨坦镇法庭
我是默里 Murray speaking
默里:现在是15:55 10月26日
我们意识到 The decision was made
他身上可能会有潜在的 that there's potentially probative evidence
犯罪证据 on his body, of his person,
因为我们知道杀死加勒特·菲利普斯的凶手 because we know the person that killed Garrett Phillips
从那个窗口跳出去了 jumped out that window
所以可能会有 and would potentially
可以记录为证据的伤口 have either an injury that we can document
或是可以与犯罪现场相联系的 or a marking that we would be able to
印记 help link to the crime,
之类的线索 or something like that.
默里:搜查令开始时间16:01
日期2011年10月26日
证物2 左脚运动鞋
证物1 右脚运动鞋
警官:时间
默里:4:06
希拉里 警官 Hillary, officer,
然后就找到了 Ah, there it is.
脚踝处的伤口 The ankle injury.
他一开始告诉我 I mean, at first he tells me
他没有脚踝伤口 he has no ankle injury,
没有问题 there's no issue.
但被发现了之后 Then he has one,
他又想出了个借口 and then he comes up with an excuse
说是因为他搬动了家里的家具 that he was moving furnitures around his apartment.
上次我因为家具而擦伤了我的脚踝 Last time I sprained my ankle or lacerated a part of my body
或者身上任意一处 with a piece of furniture,
我都很清楚地记得是什么家具 I remember where that piece of furniture is.
当时都会想着"该死的桌子" "后面的餐桌" I'm, like, "lt was the goddamn desk" or "lt was the table behind me"
我问他 "是什么家具" or... "what was it? What kind of furniture?"
"我都说了 家具而已" Like I said, "it was furnitures."
"你能详细点吗 是一张床吗" "Do you want to elaborate at all on that? Was it a bed?"
我今天都会问他 如果我今天撞见了他 I'll ask him to this day. If I ran into Nick I'd say,
我都会问 尼克 是什么家具 Nick, what kind of furniture was it?
好 脱下来 All right, drop.
我不经常做裸体搜身 I don't normally do strip-search.
15号证物 内裤
纽约州的条令 This was New York State FIU,
14号证物 项链
经常会做裸体搜身 who normally do searches of people's persons,
这也是常规流程 and this was normal procedure.
记录伤口 Try to document injuries
来为调查12岁男孩的谋杀案做铺垫 pursuant to the murder of a 12-year-old boy.
还有很多人都被裸体拍照过 There were other people that were photographed nude as well,
我也在取证过程中强调了这一点 and I pointed that out in the deposition.
但是... But...
还有谁被裸体拍照过吗
加勒特·菲利普斯的尸体就有 Garrett Phillips was.
我赶到圣劳伦斯县的时候 When I got to St. Lawrence County,
我开始听到一些 the news that I started getting
极其令人震惊的消息 was just totally unbelievable.
他们想让他退缩 All they wanted him to do is to flinch,
想让他拒绝脱衣服 to refuse, to take his clothes off,
这样就抓住了把柄 because then he would've gotten a real beatdown
就能起诉他拒捕 and been charged with resisting arrest.
所以在那时候 So in that... spot,
在那样情况下 in that position,
他已经做出了最好的决定 he handled it as best as he could.
他把衣服脱了 He took his clothes off.
他们说这不算是逮捕我 Never arrested me,
然后告诉我我可以走了 and then told me I could leave,
穿着一身防化服 in a hazmat suit,
还是在八个小时之后 eight hours later.
我走出警局的样子 I mean, I literally came out of the police station
仿佛就是我母亲刚把我生下来 as if my mom had just given birth to me as an adult.
身上什么都没有 Nothing.
没有任何道理能对一个人裸体搜身 You don't strip-search someone totally naked for... ever, for anything.
除非有个被强奸的受害者说 I mean, unless you have a rape victim saying,
我踢了他的老二 不然呢 I bit his penis. I mean, there...
不然有什么理由那么干 what really would be the use?
如果你想要他的DNA 那就拿啊 If you're getting his DNA, you could get his DNA.
裸搜是为了击溃他的心理防线 This is to break him down mentally,
让他知道他走进来的那一刻 to let him know when he walked in
他已经完了 that you're done.
你再也回不去你的生活了 Like, your life will never be the same.
我们会抓住你的 We're gonna get you.
瞧瞧我们能对你干什么 This is what we can do to you.
你对此也无能为力 And there's nothing that you can do about it.
波茨坦镇
等他来之后 Once he got here, I mean,
他的专业知识在这方面发挥作用后 his knowledge base for being in this field kicked in,
我就差不多意识到他们想干什么了 and that's pretty much when I realized what their plan is,
他们要搞臭我在社区里的名声 which was to ostracize me within the community quickly,
在毫无事实依据的情况下把罪全都推给我 blame me for what had taken place without knowing the facts,
最终让我彻底完蛋 and then... bury me.
这种情况 It's just one of those situations wherein which,
我根本无法用语言描述 you know... I mean, even now it's hard to put words to.
加勒特安息 我们都好想好想你 2012.10.24
已经过去三个月了 我们一定要 找到那个禽兽 怀念你
2011年10月24日 与希拉里的记录 9:37 我打电话给奥拉尔·希拉里 持续1分钟16秒 9:39 希拉里回电 表示"我跟我孩子在一起 没办法过来"
一开始 因为执法部门都深信不疑 Early on, because law enforcement seemed convinced,
俩孩子都很讨厌他 -控制欲强 -我当时也有所表示
因为社区里的人都深信不疑 because people in the community seemed convinced,
因为受害人的家人也深信不疑 because members of the family seemed convinced,
人们都急于把焦点放在尼克·希拉里身上 there may have been a rush towards focusing so singly on Nick Hillary.
会有一点让你细思极恐的是 that's what might keep you up at night a little bit, is that,
如果真的不是他干的 if he didn't do it,
那会是谁 then who did?
在这个针对尼克的调查过程中 And where did he go, or she go,
真凶又去了何处 um, while they were focusing on Nick?
他们从头到尾 They never thought For a minute
就没想过问完我问题之后放我走 that the situation... was over with after that initial run-in.
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这里是纽约人民诉尼古拉斯·希拉里 This is the People of the State of New York Against Nicholas Hillary.
你记得进入了波茨坦高中的停车场吗 Do you recall entering the Potsdam High school parking lot?
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是的 Yes.
他声称自己当时就在停车场里 He just put himself in that parking lot at that time.
我们可以汇编一个案子 We were able to compile a case.
我内心深处知道的就是 The one thing that I know deep inside...
我没什么可隐瞒的 I have nothing to hide.
警局把所有的焦点都放在了尼克·希拉里身上 The police focused almost exclusively on Nick Hillary.
尼克的案子事关我们整个法律体系 Nick's case is about our justice system as a whole.
检方几乎毫无底线 There's absolutely no checks on prosecutors.
这种情况肯定比我们知道的更多 This must happen more than we know.
你总能听到非常矛盾的消息 You kept hearing mixed stories.
克拉克森大学橄榄球教练希拉里 因涉嫌杀害加勒特·菲利普斯被捕
检方一会儿要赢了 They have a great case.
回答:我回了家
一会儿又毫无胜算 They had nothing.
我祈祷法庭能做出正确的判决 I pray that the correct decision will come down.
为加勒特讨回正义
希拉里先生 请起立 Mr. Hillary, please rise.
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